Describe a <b>small</b> opportunities in 3ds Max that annoys you in your daily work. Please give the steps that show it and describe <b>clearly</b> how you'd prefer it to work. Please include a description!

The new Layer Explorer (2015) should have the old buttons back

I would like the new Layer Explorer introduced in version 2015 to have the old buttons back which are now only available in the separate Layers toolbar. For me it is a better and faster workflow than the new layer quad menu.

The buttons:

1) Delete Highlighted Empty Layers: now it's done through the quad menu. This is only a minor hindrance, but I would still prefer the button.

2) Add Selected Objects to Highlighted Layer (This one is the most important for me and the main reason for writing this.): now it's done exclusively through the layer explorer by a) dragging & dropping or b) via the quad menu. Both options are really annoying when there are many layers and many different objects. It can also be done by clicking the button in the Layers toolbar which I've never used because all the buttons were in one place before.

3) Select Objects in Current Layer: this is now done via the layer quad menu by selecting child nodes. It's not that bad, but I would still prefer the old workflow.

4) Hide/Unhide and Freeze/Unfreeze all layers were quite useful as well, especially with a larger number of layers.

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  • ganboshganbosh commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    why is this not under review? it's very counter-intuitive to have to expand your current object layer just to be able to drag the object to a new layer...

  • KrisKris commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Rule of thumb: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. You can change the engine without changing the hood. Layer manager is my most used feature, and the reason I don't use 2015 at all.

  • frickanfrickan commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Yes we can´t really get our heads around this new layer manager either. Agree with everyone and want theese too:
    Highlight Selected Objects' Layers,
    Select Highlighted Objects and Layers,
    Add Selected Objects to Highlighted Layer.

  • leespoonerleespooner commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    So apparently those buttons still exist, but I cant eem to get them into the new layer manager, just have to have them floating or docked to the normal ui.

    Open layer manager.
    Right click in gray bar at top of layer dialogue box. The very top
    Select Layers from pull down that appears.
    This will bring up the layer controls which can be docked.

  • cinconcincon commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Please, for the love of God, let us select objects in the viewport and "Add Selection to layer"... This is so retarded...

  • PacigaPaciga commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    So is there any easy way to unhide all layers?...besides selecting them all and toggling the lightblub icon?

  • Darlene_ODarlene_O commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I agree with everyone. The new layer manager is horrible. I'm working back in Max 2014 just because of this annoyance! I need to be able to right click and simply add selection to layer just like we used to do. I am not understanding how this new system is better. :-( Been working in Max since it first came out, and it's nice to get updates, but certain things need that rule "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

  • mali22mali22 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Exactly, now there is no more interaction between actual objects and the Layer manager, which is simply not the way things are done from an artist's perspective, rather a programmer's.

    Also, thanks to everyone for supporting this.

  • Richard7666Richard7666 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    this is absurd. There needs to be an "add selection to layer" button, ideally in the right-click menu that appears when you right click the layer you want to add to. Like in Maya, or the Outliner plugin for 3ds Max

  • pbricklerpbrickler commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I have to agree with this request 100%.

    The most important buttons for me on the old layer manager were:

    1) Hide / Unhide all Layers
    2) Add Selected Object(s) to Current Layer
    3) Delete Selected Layer

    There are ways to work around not having these buttons with the new setup, but they are cumbersome and involve selecting all the layers (and every object in scene), using the quad menu, multiple clicks instead of one, etc.

  • le3dmaxle3dmax commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    This is the MOST annoying thing in the new 2015 so far... plus the all OLD problems that are there since EVER!!!

  • LoiclaroLoiclaro commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    You guys (and Autodesk too) should definitely take a look at the Nested Layer Manager plugin. It is really worth the investment (in my opinion, its even a better investment that buying max 2015 il you already have 2014 or 2013). All the features requested here are present. And I know Autodesk will never develop a decent layer manager.

    I really don't understand why Autodesk is not listening to its users. If you want to keep us using your softwares, make tools we actually want to use.

  • wimmer.swimmer.s commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    The idea of the new layer manager is just so old but the work you did is worse than the old one. Everything you need to have a good workflow is just missing, features are broken.

    - Since the new layer explorer i can't search in an other scene explorer without a downtime of about 20 seconds.

    - Please save settings for each layer. When i hide/freeze/etc a parent layer each child should get this new state, but when i enable it again i like that each child gets the state from before. When i hide a parent with already hidden children and unhide it EVERY child is visible ... completely unusable.

    - Renaming is such a mess. Sometimes you can't use the arrows to move to the end of the name. When you rename by doubleclick and you click onto another layer you will expand that layer.

    - Please make it possible to change the color of the line background. And please let us choose if we want an italic font for hidden layers. If you have a look at the old layer manager you will see that it is much easier to look at and much clearer.

  • YanAvenueYanAvenue commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    This new (layer selection) = (viewport selection) system, makes some of the changes you request impossible. Honestly, I just want the old layer manager back, current one is beyond terrible.

  • hardrock_ramhardrock_ram commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    The layer explorer is bugged and has a workflow that is much worse than the old.
    The old was far from perfect, but it was faster to sort objects into different layers, plus the right click menu made much more sense. I can see some glimpses of good ideas, but in its current state it is just pissing me off.

  • wimmer.swimmer.s commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    And please fix the issue that when you first hide and then show multiple layers at once you will also unhide all hidden objects inside the layers.

  • wimmer.swimmer.s commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    An please fix some workflow issues of the new layer-explorer.

    e.g. when you double click on a layer to rename it and than you click onto another layer the second layer will get expanded.
    Sometimes you will lose the current selection when you add the selection to another layer.
    Sometimes you move an layer into another layer by chossing -> rightclick -> add selection to -> selection (though you have only objects selected).
    Sometimes your shortcuts get stuck and can't be used anymore in the whole 3ds max until you search and cancel the search in the layer-explorer.
    Please let us decide if we want the hidden layer get cursive - i don't like it because it distort the look of the words.
    And Please let us search for a string inside the layername (and not always form the beginning of the layername) -> e.g. i have a layer calldd "01 - Building - Details" and i want to search for "Details" -> the same for the default scene-explorer.

  • wimmer.swimmer.s commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Totally agree. And please fix the issue that when you move the 0-layer into another layer you can't get it out anymore. To move the 0-layer into another choose the right-click-menu -> add selection to -> selection.

  • 3d-labor3d-labor commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Agree with it all too, because I worked a lot with it in 2014. But one of my favourite wishes is a button for deleting all unused layers, because every time you delete all objects on a layer the layer remains in the list. If you have a long layer list it is very time consuming to do it one by one (yes, I know, you can use the shift key, but if one of the layers is used the cross for deleting is not usable). Simply a command like the good old "Purge" in AutoCAD. By the way, I dont understand that you have about 40 possible columns for the Layer Explorer, but none for the status "Used"/"Unused".

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